you know, and it's not just joe biden. these politicians can't tell the difference between a billion and a trillion. the the numbers are so big now, everybody's eyes glaze over. a trillion dollars, million million. all lot of zeros. lou: and you know what, we, like you, cover these big numbers all the time. and i can't blame anyone whose eyes glaze over on these numbers abstraction's beyond comprehension irrespective of who is speaking about them. but we do know one thing. we are watching our blood and sweat absolutely pour out of government. we are paying for generations, the madness of these legislators, these presidents, and it is got to stop. >> lou, i have been in washington for about 25 years. when i first came in the mid 80's during the reagan years, we never talked about the udget in the trillions of dollars. we talked about it in the billions. this is a new phenomenon. that gives you a sense of the magnitude of the problem. lou: i can remember when president reagan -- believe on correct. aaron burr in using the ex